How To Build A Longer Life With Science And Self-Trust

We talk with Jean Weidman about radical longevity as a life-oriented mindset, a science-forward health plan, and a humanitarian stance against treating anyone as expendable. We also dig into what’s real, what’s risky, and how to stay skeptical and smart while exploring new tools like peptides, exosomes, and even young plasma exchange. 
• Gwen’s perspective on turning 60 as a reset on what “old” means 
• Jean’s “physical mortalist” view and why she rejects a time limit on life 
• Exercise, sleep, and nutrition as the non-negotiable longevity basics 
• Mindset as biology, including how self-talk shapes daily choices 
• Meditation, qigong, and listening to pain as feedback 
• Community as a longevity lever, including supportive people and anti-ageism 
• Young plasma exchange explained, plus why it draws controversy 
• Peptides and exosomes, with an emphasis on providers, labs, and due diligence 
• The sustainability question: longer lives, environment, and infrastructure 
• Radfest as the Revolution Against Aging and Death Festival, plus what you can ask and learn there 
• Safety at conferences, researching vendors, and involving your doctor 
• Genome testing and simple deficiency fixes that can look like complex problems 
If you know somebody like Gene that I should know about, let me know. RotarianPod at gmail.com.

Transcript

Why Longevity Matters At 60

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hi everyone, I'm Gwen Jones, and welcome once again to the Action Impact Show, that weekly show where I'm telling you all kinds of wonderful things about amazing people turning their actions into impact. Well, as you well know, I am turning 60 this year, and so I'm going to be doing a group of shows about, well, getting older and longevity. If you joined me last week, my friend Charlie Cam and I talked about cryonics. Well, this week, Jean Whiteman, a friend of the show, is gonna be telling us about her longevity uh story or longevity journey, if you will, as well as an amazing festival called Radfest, dealing with radical longevity studies. Now, that's a big mouthful, and I will let Gene tell you more about both. But longevity, how do we do it? Is it just diet? Is it spiritual? Is it peptides? Is it all the above? Join me, won't you, as I step into the world of longevity again and tell you about my next on location podcast in Scottsdale, Arizona, with an amazing conference called Bradfest. And as always, I thank you for joining me for the conversation. Welcome back to the show, everybody. Well, as you well know, I am turning 60. I have talked about it because I have to like remind myself that I'm gonna be 60 because I remember in my 20s that 60 was really old. And now, as I'm about to turn 60, I'm like, hell no, 60 is young. I feel young, I feel I don't look my age. I certainly try to not act my age, and I have a sister in this same type of belief. She doesn't look her age, she doesn't want to act her age, she doesn't want to, and she wants to live for a very long time. So we're gonna talk about two things today.

Meet Jean And The Big Questions

SPEAKER_02 2:05

First of all, I want you to meet my friend Jean Wideman. Hi, Jean. It's very nice to you. Hi, hi Gwen. We're gonna talk about two things today. We're gonna talk about Jean's journey into her longevity, and she's gonna give me some pointers, she's gonna give me her journey and why she wants to live longer, and then we're gonna talk about a festival that I'm going to be going to and recording the show live at. And it is a longevity conference called Radfest, and we'll explain. Gene will explain what the word rad actually means. Welcome to the show, my friend. It's so good to have you.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Thank you so much, Gwen. What a great introduction. You are so you're one of the most fun people in my life. So such a joy.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Well, thank you. So I'm gonna ask the question that my mother would just be cringing right now if I even asked the question.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

How old are you?

SPEAKER_03 3:06

I turned 63 in May.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Okay, all right. So, how old do you want to be? Like, how long do you want to be on this planet?

SPEAKER_03 3:16

You know, well, I'm I'm on the crazy side. Okay, I'm ready. Yeah, yeah. So you probably brought on one of the wildest people on your show because I when I was like 14, I heard of Cryonics. Cry, and I thought, oh, I heard that Walt Disney was frozen and I thought I want to do that. Yes, freeze me and bring me back in a hundred years.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

And we just had a show with our mutual friend Charlie Cam, who gave us a full 101 about what cryonics is and how you do it. So you're ready.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

I'm ready. I don't, I just have that kind of maybe I I just I don't know. I'm I I didn't realize it until a long later in years that I'm a futurist. I'm I'm forward thinking, I'm forward thinking. I'm also humanitarian, I'm forward thinking and I'm thinking about human beings and humanitarian and really how good we should be having it. Okay, we should be having it fabulously on this planet. We have the most gorgeous planet. But anyway, so yeah, in my when I was 28, I had kind of a revelation that holy mackerel, the human body doesn't actually have to die. When you cut yourself, the body heals. Right. But also energetically, you know, people many times when they mature, they get smaller. Do less, don't do this, don't do this, and you kind of shut down energetically. But the truth of the matter is, Gwen, you probably know this better than me, our world's changing, anyways.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

Right.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

If you take the first Star Wars and take like the third Star Wars or the Fourth Star Wars, put those together and put a 50-year-old in the first Star Wars and a 50-year-old in the third or fourth Star Wars, they look like totally different people. I mean, they, you know, so so the mature population is looking better longer. Like, look at our grandparents. I mean, my my you know, my grandmother

Physical Immortality And Human Value

SPEAKER_03 5:10

looked 90 when she was 50 and 60, but uh so we're changing anyways, whether we want to or not, we're actually changing. And most but how old do you want to get? Well, I'm this is how wild I am. I don't believe the human body has to die, and so I'm a physical mortalist. And one of the one of the reasons okay, so stop.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

I'm gonna stop you right there. What is a physical mortalist? Because I already know somebody's driving in their car or watching this on YouTube going, she's a what? What's a physical? So you physically don't believe in mortality?

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Yeah, I I physically don't want to die. Okay, I feel like we can transform on two feet. I physically, and now you know it's funny because that's the first words I heard when I was 28. Someone said physical, physical immortality, and I was like, What? What the hell is that? Okay, and the here's this is deep. The second reason why the second reason why I don't want to die is I don't want to cause you that kind of pain. They we can grow, we can grow together, we can grow, we can become exponential, we can become more. People now are in their 80s are starting new careers. People in their 70s, they don't feel like they're 70. People are not limited as much by age anymore. People are having multiple careers, so I think it's something that's happening, but yeah, I you know, we want peace, we want the end of suffering. How is that gonna happen? I'm sticking around to say, hey, I'm not gonna create that suffering just even in death. And you know, you we send our kids to war, right? Why? For what? For what for what? Imagine, you know, because you're you're saying that person is expendable. That person you know, that's that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

So you've you've you've touched on so you you want to live for it sound like three different reasons. One, you don't want to start paying, so you're a huge humanitarian. And two, you point out that young people fight wars, not old people, or older, I should say. Older people don't fight wars, younger people fight wars, and these older people that are sending those kids out to fight wars, by the way, are actually getting younger and they're even starting new careers. So that leads to expendable. What's your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 7:47

I mean, is that is that well, I I I guess I never thought of it exactly, but yeah, the human body, I think it doesn't matter what age, whether what no human being should be expendable. That's my feeling. No human being should be expendable, and there is a depth and uh and a creation that if we really went all the way, we could we could. I mean, there's some I mean, Star Wars didn't come out of the sky, and you know, or Star Trek didn't fall out of the sky. You know, there there is there is truth to that, and just like Christopher Columbus or Chuck Yeager, somebody has to break those barriers. You know, Chuck Yeager was in a plane shaking, shaking, shaking. And he just said, I'm gonna put the pedals of the metal and I'm gonna break the barrier, and boom, right? Boom, the sonic, the sonic boom.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

So yeah, and you know, I I get it, I get it. So so what I find fascinating though, I mean, is that I mean, there is I think people forget that every seven years we are a new person, right? All of our cells die off and we come back again. So if you don't necessarily like yourself right now, you will be a whole person in seven years. So we do regenerate, you just said, if you cut your finger, you regenerate. And so does it then it just becomes, is it like an obsession for you to like be on the cutting edge of what's new and exciting? And are you trying new stuff all the time? Or are you sticking with the classics like a good diet and exercise and you know, almost like a zone kind of feel to live longer, or both?

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Yeah, and I think one thing I when I said I'm wild, so I think I think what's happening now is everyone deserves the choice. I think that's what's happening now. Everyone deserves a choice if you want to live to 100. Some people have that goal, 120, 200, or have the choice. For me, I I'm I'm doing the best that I can. We also want to think about sustainability. Like, you know, we don't want to be so perfect that we are our life resolves revolves around that perfection and we're not living. So part of this is also really allowing ourselves to energetically be alive and change as a human being, like you said, every seven years and have friends that you can change with. Like that's what I have

The Daily Basics That Actually Work

SPEAKER_03 10:30

with you and Celia is we change and we grow and we we meet each other fresh, you know. And so, but I do exercise and I've gone through periods where maybe I didn't exercise as much and I was working too hard. I did go through a phase where I was kind of like not taking care of myself as good. I took excellent care of myself until I was like about 50, 55. Yeah, 55. And then I fell off the wagon and I weighed and and I was working too hard, and we were we were producing rad fests, so we were like early in the game, and so we were forging, you know, making a niche, and and so then the last year I've dialed it in. So exercise is vital, sleep. So I really think exercise, number one, you have to move the body every day because that's what cleans up your system, you know, and walking is good, but I do think you should do a gym three times a week, get a trainer. I think that's number one because that is a detoxing automatically. And then the second thing is sleep. My sleep I'm still working on. Okay, fair enough. And then food, food is is very important. And I, you know, eating more for nutrition than pleasure, you know, and I've I have in my life at times been a pleasure eater, but me eating doesn't mean that food is tastes bad. You can make great food, but you're eating it more for nutritional than pleasure, and then then I am doing cutting edge stuff. I do do cutting edge stuff. I've done young plasma exchange, I do peptides, I do exosomes, but I do them thoughtfully and I work with the top companies. I do due diligence, I ask a lot of questions, so I don't casually do anything, I do it with a lot of thought. Right now I'm doing blood work every three months, so I can monitor how things are happening. But I and also each year changes. I think this year, the last year and this year and next year, things are happening and it's more accessible, it's easier.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

So you have a mutual friend of ours, Ray Kruzweil, saying that right now, through AI and through other things, we will actually start getting younger. And I've heard my partner say stuff like, I would love to live, you know, into triple digits. And I just want to do whatever I can to keep the shell I'm in functioning until AI and the medical fields come in and can do the rest of the work. So that is diet, it is exercise, it is a lot of sleep. The science that's coming out about sleep, everybody, please go home and take a nap. So are is that kind of your approach to? Or you had mentioned things like plasma. Tell people, tell people what that is.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Okay. Well, one thing

Self-Talk, Meditation, And Supportive People

SPEAKER_03 13:40

I do want to say that I'm very particular about, the most important thing is how I talk to myself. Okay. Number one thing is how I communicate to the cells and atoms of my body. The cells and atoms of my body are my military, they're my soldiers. If I'm so, so that's kind of part of the reason why I said I'm living forever is because I'm allowing myself a vastness and to be exponential. I'm not putting a time limit. I'm not saying that's going to happen for sure, but I'm not putting a time limit. So the way I talk to myself, I don't view my body as a shell. My skin is me. My body is me. I'm one, I'm integrated, I'm whole, I'm a whole human being. And so I'm not split up. I'm or I bring my whole body together as a whole person, and then I communicate unlimitedness to every cell and out of my body. Like I have no space for anything else. Doesn't mean I live perfectly, like I said, but you know, but but the number one thing is how how I communicate to myself. So it's like my arm isn't separate, my finger isn't separate, my I'm not a shell. My, you know, I think that's the thing is we underestimate the cellular structure of our body. You know, trillions of cells. We've got like our organs would wrap around the earth. There's so much to the human body that is actually undiscovered. And so that's where, and then also meditation can take you to deep places. I think meditation, tai chi qi gang. I'm I'm certified in qi gong. I was also a massage therapist for 25 years. So I you learned a lot of techniques, how to move the energy and how to move disease in my body by being in touch with it, listening to it. A lot of times your body's communicating to you. If there's pain, it's your body's talking to you. So it's like you have to, we each have to come home. We have to come home and not, it's unfortunate. Half the time we're running away from our bodies, and like that's crazy, right? So, number one is just allowing yourself to come home to sleep and then doing your best. And then the second thing is good associations. You need people in your life that are encouraging to you, that that don't think you're weird, like that that love, you know, that enjoy you, that you, yeah. If you have encouraging people in your life, you could pick up the phone, say two words, and boom. It's like it's like you stepped under a waterfall and you got all the crystal ions. Human beings, and I think that's the last thing I'm gonna say. That's why, and we're when we get into Rabfest is the revolution against aging and death is what it is, is we're flipping society. The society right now is death oriented, we're flipping it to life-oriented, and so we're not wearing each other out, we're not beating each other up. You know, we're encouraging, we're alivening, we're we're speaking to our own cellular structure and each other's cellular structure. You know, when you walk into a room and you feel lifted, you're like, oh wow, this is great. Yeah. And you walk into a room and you feel depressed. Now you take that to the next level. When you walk into a room of people that feel unlimited possibilities, that changes your body. It changes your structure, it changes your thought processes. So that's the biggest thing is is I think one is how you talk to yourself, two is having people that are encouraging to you. And then three, four, five, six, and seven is all the other stuff.

Young Plasma Exchange Explained Clearly

SPEAKER_03 17:20

And Young Plasma Exchange was was a little experimental. That was wild. Okay, I have a wild story about that.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Okay, well, first of all, let's tell everybody what it is. Young Plasma is because I think because we are listening, because there are people who are listening to us who have no idea what the longevity world is about. And last week they listened to Cryonics, so they were like, Okay, young plasma in if in its basic form is is sucking plasma out of young people. So don't steal your car off the road if you're listening to us. And don't don't kidnap your kids. Don't kidnap your kids and like stick needles in them and suck their plasma out. Yeah. But it is controversial. I mean, or I should say it's gotten interesting press. It's gotten more sci-fi press than factual press. Is that a is that a fair way to say it?

SPEAKER_03 18:21

Well, that's a huge way to say it. Because I think it's gotten kind of quite a bit of bad press and also pushed down by competitor, competitive industries. But it's it's it's not allowed for it to come forth in what it may possibly do totally. But we'll see how, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

And let's and let's make sure everybody knows that when what this is, is this is volunteers. By the way, we're not going out in the middle of the night and stabbing teenagers on their way home from the club. Okay. And it's not we, I don't do this. Sorry. However, volunteers that are willing to share their plasma. Is that a correct way to say it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

So I'll give you an example. There's blood banks. Right now, people donate blood. That's and also there's there's plasma banks. You can also go and donate your plasma. And I have a great tip for some people on the plasma, which I'll share later. So there's blood banks, there's plasma banks, you donate it and they use it for science. So there's only one place in the United States that collects plasma from age 19 to 25.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

And they donate. So instead of donating blood or plasma, these young people they get money, like they're in college, they get money. You get ready to donate your plasma, and it's 18 or 19, I think it's 18 or 19 to 25, and it's sex specific. So when they take that plasma, they bank it. This it's this age range, and it's either male or female, because they're finding out more and more that the female body is far more complex.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

And it doesn't matter race. So it could be so it's so it's female 18 to 25, but they could be Asian, they could be, you know, Haitian, they could be anywhere. No, it's not a color thing or an ethnicity thing.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

You know, that's a good question, and it's actually a question that I never asked about the race. And so I don't think that it's race. I mean, I think that's a good question. Well, I I asked that because for instance, I well, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I think it's the same way as donating blood or donating plasma.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Okay, so like because I know there is certain things, like for instance, sick o cell anemia and different things that just run in certain ethnic groups. Yes. So, okay, but I I digress. Okay, so you have these banks and people get paid to give this plasma, just like a sperm bank, fellas, just like blood, just like any of these other things. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

And so I don't have all the scientific information to share with you, but it is thoroughly processed. So it's actually cleaner to get a plasma donation than a blood donation. So yeah, yeah. So it's actually cleaner. And the thing about so this is the trippy thing. So you so the young plasma, and what this is supposed to do is the young plasma has all the attributes of a young body. So it has all the exosomes, it has all the peptides, it has all the growth factors, it has all the growth hormones, it has all those building blocks that a person of 20 years old has. So it was funny because when I went and and basically they're pulling out blood and they're putting in the plasma. And so I felt like afterwards that I had like it was the weirdest feeling. Is that I had like 10 cups of coffee, but it was a different feeling in what someone said to me. So it wasn't like jittery. No, it wasn't jittery, it was just like an a surge of energy. And what the physician said is, Oh, you have a 20-year-old's energy in your body. When's the last time you had 20-year-old energy? And I'm like, 40 years ago. Oh wow. Right? So you have the frequency and the energy of a 20-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

So okay, I already know there's some people just going, okay, she had me on good diet, exercise, get lots of sleep, this is where you're losing me. And it's okay because I know those same people last week were like, okay, it's all fun and games. Charlie's saying this is just like a backup, you know. But this is something that in a lot of ways is almost mainstream. And I say that, everybody listening and watching us, because if you go to any cosmetic counter, they're gonna talk about two things free radicals and peptides for your skin. Yes. So these so the idea of getting younger, we've always talked about, but our face, but you're taking it one step further and saying, not only am I gonna put it in my face, I'm gonna put it in my veins.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, and of all the things I've done, I think that one is the most experimental. And it is it is something that they recommend that you do on a regular basis, like every year, you know, but I think right now the the it's not as accessible and it's still quite expensive. So so it's not something I'm gonna do, you know. I'm in the industry, you know, and so I've done more experimental things. I did a lot of research, talked to a lot of people before I did that. I don't do anything casually, and I think I had tremendous benefit, but it but it's not really cost effective at this time to do on an annual basis. So the ones I do now are exosomes and peptides, and I and I was it took me a while to do peptides because I, you know, I like to find the right provider, ask a ton of questions, get really good guidance. I don't do things casually. So I'm getting, you know, I wanted to have my blood work. So I got my blood work before I started the peptides, and I'm supposed to, and I took my test, but I haven't gotten the results. So I'll be able to tell you later, Gwen, like, you know, what's the improvement? And I've been doing a program of peptides where the GL I'm doing retrutide, which is a triple antagonist. Uh and then I'm taking a peptide for my brain, my gut, and I was taking, and also the other one is for oh, I forgot.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Well, I don't know. If you just forgot that one for the brain, you should get your money back on that one. Saying that one.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Well, I switched, I was doing one for mud that retains muscle, but I didn't really need it because I'm working out quite a bit. So I just switched over. Oh, liver cleanse. It's a young it uh uh it's a liver cleanse, so that's what I'm doing now.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

So I I'm gonna get to to Radfest, but I have two more questions and I'm gonna ask this now because because for my listeners, this is the beginning of several discussions that I'm gonna have about longevity into the fall, which is great. But two things come to mind. One is if all if all of us are living

Sustainability And Living Longer Responsibly

SPEAKER_02 25:30

longer, yeah, are we all gonna live? Right now we already have trouble with water. Right now we're having trouble with uh uh land space. We're not making any more land. One would argue we're losing land, okay. So if all of us are living longer, where are we all gonna live longer? And and our longevity folks like yourself, are you leading the way environmentally? Are you leading the way scientifically in that aspect? And and you're you're the first to get this question, but I have some more guests that I'm gonna ask the same question to is that as we're living longer, as you've decided to make the financial and the time and energy to live longer, where are you going to live longer?

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Does that make sense? Well, yeah, yeah. Well, you know what? Here's the thing: human beings are brilliant. We are, I mean, look at the things we built in the world. I mean, just even the Golden Gate Bridge, these bridges around the world and the structure. I mean, space rockets to the moon. You know, I even know, like, there's a company in in California where they they did a what do you call that printing? The 3D printing? 3D printed a rocket ship, full-on rocket ship size, and was able to blast it off. So we don't give ourselves enough credit because guess what? We're gonna solve the problems. Whatever problems we have in the future, we will find a curve, we will find the solution. And we have. I am definitely an environmentalist. I I'm I'm more, I'm not, and there's different factions of longevity. I'm not really a person that wants to become a robot or or put my brain in a robot. I love I love nature, I love being in tune, I love being physical. So I'm kind of more of a person that wants to keep my body, but this is great. There's a lot of choices. People have amazing choices, but we'll solve those problems. I am an environmentalist, but it makes it hard because our environment, our our infrastructure doesn't really support it. You know, there's different communities, it depends on your community. Where I live, it's terrible. Like if I want to do, you know, don't, you know, my glass and my paper goods, I have to take it somewhere. It's not supported where I live. So I am a hundred percent environmentalist, and but it's just that you know, or if you went to another country, you know, if you went to Asia, I mean, they built these programs in. So I think that's the thing that the US US is very much consumers, and so you know, you have to go the extra mile to be an environmentalist. And then it, but I think we're gonna solve whatever we're gonna find the answers for whatever we incur. And I think it can be quite exciting. People don't realize if you step out of, see, if we live longer, guess what? We're gonna we're gonna step out of the rat race, we're gonna be more creative, we're gonna have time, we're gonna expand. We're not gonna be just right now, we're in a rat race, we're in a survival race. What James Stroll, who's the who's my director, he says, when we when we start expanding our number of years, we are going to enter the era of creativity. We're gonna have breathing room to really create, you know. Right now we're just grinding it out, you know, and so that's you know, that's very wearing on the body. It's a whole, it's a flip. It's a flip. And it's even a thought process. You don't have to want to live forever, you know. Right. It's just, it's just, doesn't everyone want a better quality of living? Good, good, good friends, people you care about? Doesn't don't you want to see your loved one not go down downhill? I think those are those are the simple things. Like, and and part of that is you to each person taking the responsibility

Fighting Ageism Through Purpose And Mentorship

SPEAKER_03 29:30

not to do it themselves.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

So what do you then what do you say to somebody who's like, well, you know, Gene, that's a very serendipity kind of attitude. We'll just wait, they're gonna fix it. I'm gonna live forever, keep my peptides and my such and such, and others are gonna fix it. You really but but you kind of sleep at night going, no, Gwen, this isn't just pixie dust and fairy tales. You believe in the science that we have a next generation of scientists that actually can help with these things.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Well, I think there's two things. I think we have current scientists because anytime anytime scientists today, with their depth of knowledge and wealth of knowledge, every time that pass, they pass, where does that knowledge go? You know what? So we have young, and the young population is phenomenal. Right now in the world, there are young people creating pop-up cities worldwide that are doing think tanks just talking about these conversations. They don't want their parents to pass, they want their parents to stick around, they don't want their parents to have cancer. So there are intelligent young people coming together all over the world, Singapore, Germany. And so there are there, and there some of them are also in the crypto. I don't know as much about crypto, I'm not endorsing that, but there are people that are doing more forward thinking, and that's you know, Christopher Columbus. There's there are people on the planet that are designing our future now.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Now, the reason why we had those old explorers, the Christopher Columbus's, the manifest destiny. We had that, and we very well could have a new manifest destiny with this next Gen Zers. Yes, right.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

And we and we do want to keep everyone around because you know, like say Ray Kurzwell, he has so he's a wonderful speaker. He's the best, he's talk about positivity. I've never heard a person say, Really, look at our world, we have it better than ever. And people like, what? You know, and he will list all the things. So, but we want to keep everyone because we don't want any of that knowledge to, you know, there's a richening and there's a depth when you can, and so we want we want to stop ageism, period. The young, the old, everybody comes together, and there isn't that gap of ageism. And you know, so and I think for me, I have been a game changer because I have helped brand new companies that are in this merging emerging technology and information help them to become get market adoption. Now, each one of us has a specific purpose. I can't do everything, I can't solve all the problems, but I can I can attack the ones that I can make a difference in. If each person made a difference in their expertise and what they could do, then we, you know, that's your hand. Then we cover everything. I I don't need to be a thumb and a forefinger and a pinky at the same time. That's you know, I need to specialize in what what I'm best at and what I how I can add value. So I think oh Gwen, okay, I'm gonna go really trippy on you. Okay, I'm ready. Okay, I often think okay, maybe I I don't even know if I should say this, but you know, people that go in in the 60s and 70s and 80s and go to the casino, right? They should go to a a kindergarten school. They should go to a grammar school, they should contribute their time to another human.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

So you're saying you're saying don't go to the casino.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

Go to the casino, go to the casino once a month, and then what however many times you go to the casino, balance it out to also go help a young person.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

Huh. And then I'll throw it out there, young people, instead of going to the well, you can't go to the casino, but but you're really saying that to the longevity question is also the age, the the age problems that we have, the discrimination over age in either direction that we have.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

In either direction. And I have to tell you, Gwen, I think our young population is suffering far more than our mature population in terms of self-worth, who they are, what do they want to do, where do you know, what is their value? Are they even important? I think it's especially COVID in a sense. I think we have a uh demographics of the young population that's suffering.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Well, I'll tell you, I think as as two as two women on the screen right now, this is probably a bold statement, but I think we have some men that could really use some men. Older men, I'm asking, I'm asking some older men that listen to my voice to go check out some younger men and like get them to because right now, because I am not a fan. You can you can send me all the hate mail you want. I am not a Manosphere fan. And I have a feeling that those people, well, they're one, they're not thinking about longevity, obviously. But there is there is that that factor of I'm young, I'm gonna live forever, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, and as long as I look good and that kind of stuff. But that's probably another show.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Well, I think I think we've all had that when we were young. We were invincible in our 20s. I mean, the wild things we used to do, but you know what? There are some phenomenal men that have a lot to give. You hit the nail on the head, they have a lot to give. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

This is not this is not a she woman men hater club in any way, shape, or form. So, all

What Radfest Is And Who It Serves

SPEAKER_02 35:20

right, let's talk about Radfest. Yes. So you've talked about your longevity, you've talked about working in kind of a zone cooperative, the five zone kind of cooperative, or I should say blue zone kind of foundations with peptides and AI and different things. And the way you got a lot of these ideas was uh through many avenues, but one of them is called Radfest. And you guys were so kind to say, Hey, Gwen, because I'm always saying that the show will go on the road. I will be spending in September two, three days in Scottsdale, Arizona at Radfest with all you longevity folks. What does Radfest stand for?

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Radfest stands for the Revolution Against Aging and Death Festival. It was originally designed to be the rat to be the Woodstock of super longevity, to bring in top scientists from around the world and to make it a fun and exploratory event. And also, it is the premier event of the Coalition for Radical Life Extension. So we are the Coalition for Radical Life Extension. We are a nonprofit. We have three initiatives. One is is introducing to the lay population. And you know what? This is so cool, Gwen. You can come to Radfest and you can ask all these questions. Okay. You don't have to come on a podcast. You can go there and ask. You can ask scientists themselves. Yeah. You can meet the scientists, you can ask questions, you can meet your friends and neighbors. We often hear people say, I made my best friends at Radfest, because it's a different kind of conversation and it's a place that you can explore, ask these questions, learn. There's no intimidation, there's no, you don't have to buy anything, you don't have to do anything. It's a place that you can come and learn and ask questions. Because part of the problem is there's great technology and great medicine coming out, but how do you learn about it other than you know through your computer? And so what Radfest is doing is we are creating market adoption and market demand. Because, you know, like the brick cell phone, the more demand there is from the public, the cheaper it becomes. So, number one is this is the conversation for any per any person on the planet, for the general public. Additionally, we still have physicians, scientists, uh owners, et cetera, investors. A lot of investors come as well. This is a great place to source. And then the second thing is uh public policy is advancing public policy. And then the third thing is a lot of uh new companies come and launch at Radfest because of that market adoption.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

So public policy. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you about this one because I know this

Safety, FDA Limits, And Due Diligence

SPEAKER_02 38:20

is a question I'm gonna bring up in Scottsdale, is I think I I think a lot of people don't understand that a lot of these things that you see on the internet, these powders and juices and stuff like that, quite a few of them do not get FDA approval. Okay. However, everybody, we're not we're not here to to to beat up on Bobby. I will leave my opinion about Bobby to myself, Bobby Jr. However, there is structures that you have to go in to sell vitamins. So just so everybody knows, we are not at the age anymore of somebody can sell you what has become a Dr. Pepper as a cure all for cancer. We're not there anymore. But there this is a place where you're gonna have people that are gonna come on the market with some of these new things. I mean, it was about 10 years ago that peptides was this radical thing that you actually had at Radfest. And now in the longevity world, it's actually almost mainstream different peptides and different things like that. So is it is the if people come to this, is the stuff they're gonna try and things they're gonna do how safe is it? Like, how how do they gonna feel about it? Like, I don't want to go there and pop some weird pill and not know because it's not FDA approved. You are gonna have some of that stuff there. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Well, so this will be our 11th year, so we really do a lot of due diligence.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Companies have to apply to even be in the exhibit hall. We only have we're only gonna have about 50 companies. It's not like hundreds of companies, it's not duplicatable companies. We try to get the best of the best in every field or arena. And the biggest thing is everybody has to do their due diligence. I would say don't try anything, you know, don't try anything right there, right then. I would say get all get all the information. We keep the conference app open for 30 days. So all of the companies have a profile, they have links, so you can do a 30-day research. And uh so we we highly recommend this is information gathering and due diligence and and and then making an educated guess because you can go to the hospital and get some of the worst service you've ever gotten in your life. Sure. So no, yeah, so uh terrible thing, you know. We tell people now if you're going to the hospital, you need a patient advocate, you need someone that's advocating for you. So, so you know, so the main thing is we bring in the best of the best. We don't we can't guarantee anything, but I this is my what I do. I do this personally, this is my job, is working with companies on a global scale, and and it's exposing you to new things and new conversations. And so I would do your due diligence and then make an educated guest and and run it by your doctor. There's no harm in running a buyer doctor or even meeting new doctors there. So there's gonna be a lot of doctors there that are longevity doctors, many MD people, MD doctors.

SPEAKER_04 41:48

Not many, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Yeah, oh yeah, no, these are oh, the doctors that come here are board certified, so they're MDs, they might be natural paths uh and and alternative medicine as well, but mostly it's medical, a lot of medical physicians have transitioned. Oh, I have some stories, man, have transitioned into longevity medicine. Well, here's the story like I went to a conference recently for medical doctors, and it was for their their credits, they have to get their CEs. Right. And I was I was actually at a peptide booth, and the and a couple doctors came up and said they were so frustrated with medicine because they weren't making a difference. They were giving people pills, they weren't and they started using peptides and they started using specific programs, and they're like seeing a difference in their patients. This one doctor said I almost gave up on medicine because I'm just putting a band. Yeah. And so physicians have actually become depressed because they know they're not really helping people in this current model. So that's what you're going to experience at Radfest. So Radfest is going to be your educational opportunity. Ask all the questions, get exposed to things, meet some best friends, meet people from all over the country. Before COVID, we used to have 35 different countries attend. It was so fun. It's a little more difficult for people to travel globally right now. We still will have some. And then you can actually talk to the longevity doctors, you can talk to the scientists. Everybody hangs out in the exhibit hall because it's not an exhibit hall, it's a networking place.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

Top keynote speakers will hang out in the hall. Okay. And there's a lot of uh collaborating there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

So you're not saying so you don't have to go to Radfest. You can go to Radfest, I would say, as a skeptic. I mean, that's my word. But, you know, I mean, like I said, the people last week were hearing about Cryonics. And so if they want to go to Scottsdale this fall, they can go in with an attitude of. Yeah, but come on. And you're supportive of that. So it isn't it isn't like no no no. If you don't agree with everything that's here, then get out of town.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

We actually encourage skeptics. We we encourage everybody. We encourage skeptics because that expands

How Radfest Builds Access And Demand

SPEAKER_03 44:20

the conversation. Because there are questions that need to be asked. And and not everyone has all the questions. The other thing I think is really important, and I love the work you do in the Rotarian community, is that listen, your readers, your listeners are vital to this conversation. Because here's the thing market adoption, gene therapies. There are things that need to happen, and the cost needs to come down. And that will only happen by a greater amount of public demand. So I want all of your rotarian, I'm not I'm not saying the word right. I want all of your Rotarian, you were on it. You were on it. Rotarians and Rotarian friends, you were on it. Yes. I want all of your members to come to Radfest that can because you need to know this stuff and you need to share this with your community because guess what? You might save someone's life. You need to be, you need to pass this on. This is how you can make a difference, among many other things you probably do. But this information needs to be shared in every community. Like I said, even the doctors, you know. So we want to raise that value and raise that knowledge base. You go to your physician, now you can ask more intelligent questions. What is stem cells? What should you look for? What are exosomes? What are quality exosomes? There's so many different kinds of exosomes. How do you know what's good? What are peptides? How do you know what's good? That's what we do is we present, we bring in the foremost companies in those arenas. They educate you. You can ask further questions. And then, because right now, how do you know? You can go to Walgreens and it says stem cells on a cream. What the heck is that? You know?

SPEAKER_02 46:08

Or some influencer told you it was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

When is when is Radfest? Radfest is September 4th through the 6th. It's in Scottsdale, Arizona. It's at a beautiful resort called the Talking Stick. And we got an extraordinary room rate of under $150 a night at a gorgeous hotel. Well, there you go. Right.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

You can't get much more. And and I will definitely Jean's gonna send me a link so I can put that in the notes and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

So And we will have a discount code for all your listeners. We'll give them anything. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Okay, let's do it. So what what is really the purpose of Radfest?

SPEAKER_03 46:53

What's the purpose? The purpose of Radfest, I think, is to give people options and a way out, a way out of the doldrums, a way out of the rat race, a way out of of a life that's already played out and played out and played out. This is a this this will open your eyes to new possibilities. And you know, maybe you'll start a new career in your 60s and 70s. Maybe you'll call a totally different direction. Maybe you'll be in a community influencer sharing this good information. Maybe you'll just help one person in your neighborhood saying, Oh, you should be taking zinc. Do you know the other thing I want one last thing I do want to say that we're gonna have at Radfest is every single person should be taking their genetic test, genome test, a test of all your genomes because you need to know how your body's processing things. We have more stories now. Someone that had a severe, I think my sister-in-law just told me that someone that was struggling with Alzheimer's, they found out was a lack of B12. A teenager that was struggling in his in his energy was zinc. So it could be a complex problem or it could be a simple problem, but you need to know. And so we're gonna have genome testing on site there. And and that's yeah, so that so yeah, so there are base level things that we all should be doing that we're just not aware of. Thank you, my friend, Jean.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

I want everybody to

Dates, Genome Testing, And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_02 48:20

uh check out Radfest. And if you can't make it this year, this is its 11th year, I think you told us, that's okay because I'm going to Radfest, and then I will give you literally the view this year so you can buy your tickets for next year. But check it out in the meantime.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

If you want to come and hang out with Gwen, you need to be at Radfest. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

If you want to come hang out with me, you know, until I'm on the road somebody, but yeah, I it's a fascinating thing. This will be my second time. My first time I was more working than actually playing. This time I get to play a little bit, at least talk to everybody. I I am I am part of the longevity sphere, but I have to say, much like my spiritual practices, I kind of take some and then leave some. And thank you for being willing to be willing to share your longevity journey with us because I there's gonna be people listening to my voice that are gonna be like, look, I'm in my 80s, I'm in my 90s, I'm done, I'm tapping out. Put me in a box, I'm good to go. Bye, kids. I love you. And then there's others that could be listening to our voice going, Well, I I got a few more years in me.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

I could I could do this for a little while.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

That's what we found. Honestly, we've had 80, 70, 80, or 90 year olds when they come to Radfest, they feel vi they feel viable. They can be part of a human trial. There's a lot more options. And the other thing, too, I wanted to mention real quick before you wrap up, and please come and say hi to me. I'll be there. I'm Gene. If you heard me on the show with Gwen, you need to come up and say, Hey Gene, I heard you on the show, and you can ask me any questions as well. Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

And I'll tell you, one of the strangest things I ever had happen to me was somebody at a table next door to me saying, Are you Gwen Jones? I recognize your voice. So you never know. Somebody may recognize your voice. You may never know. You may never know. Gene, thank you for being on the show. I really appreciate it, my friend. Thank you so much, Gwen, your doll. And until next time. Yes, my friend, until next time. And hey, Jean was legit, man. If you go to Radfest, look her up. She is willing to take all and any questions. In fact, there's a real transparency that I love at Radfest. I have been there before, and let me tell you from the bottom of my heart, I I have been a skeptic. Like, for real, this type of water works, or this type of whatever works, or I'm also an epileptic, so I can't just be trying new and exciting things. I have to consult my doctor. But I I have to say, I'm fascinated. I wanna live to be older, a lot older. I have a mother-in-law who's in her 90s. That sounds good to me. I'd even say I'm up for triple digits. I'd like to be over a hundred. Which means at 60, that means I got 40 years to go. I mean, let's just think about that. And what I can learn, and the people I can learn from. I mean, it just excites me. Well, what also excites me is that I will be back next week to introduce you to some amazing people, and I will be in Scottsdale, Arizona in September at Radfest. So I have a lot to live for, as the saying goes. If you know somebody like Gene that I should know about, let me know. RotarianPod at gmail.com. And um, yeah, these longevity talks, they're gonna be interesting, and I have some really cool guests up my sleeve. But that's another week. So until next week, take care of yourself and the world around you, and we'll hear you next time right here on the Action to Impact Show. Thanks everybody. Have a great week.